Olivia Cooke, Thomas Mann, and RJ Cyler star in "Me and Earl and the Dying Girl." Photo by Anne Marie Fox. © 2015 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. |
“Me and Earl and the Dying Girl” is
an unconventional coming-of-age story about a high school student,
Greg, his friend Earl, and a girl with cancer named Rachel. It
features a young cast, a first-time screenwriter, and a director
whose work has mostly appeared on TV. Yet the film has already drawn
high praise in limited release: it won the Grand Jury Prize at this
year's Sundance Film Festival and already sports positive feedback
from Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. It's primed to become an indie
summer sleeper hit in the same vein as “Napoleon Dynamite” and
“Little Miss Sunshine.”
Film stars Olivia Cooke (Rachel), RJ
Cyler (Earl) and Thomas Mann (Greg) sat down for a round table
interview in advance of the film's national release on Friday. Below
is an excerpt from the interview with the three stars; a second interview with director Alfonso Gomez-Rejon and screenwriter Jesse Andrews will be posted tomorrow. Full audio from this interview is available here.
Q: What do you guys think of the film's
success so far?
Olivia Cooke: It's crazy. We all knew
going into it that it was the best script we ever read.
Thomas Mann: You can't prepare for the
success, but just the opportunity to make the movie, I was so
excited, it was a huge opportunity and a huge responsibility. We just
wanted to get it right … I didn't think of it as a teen movie. It
was fun, it's been overwhelming and it's been a very emotional ride.
It's so close to us for such a long time and people are having their
own personal experience watching it. It's just really amazing.
Q: How would you compare the experience
between this and shooting your other movies?
Cooke: Wildly different. They all
differ from each one. It all depends on the people, the crew, the
material you have. My part in “The Signal” was relatively small
and not as fleshed out as Rachel in “Me and Earl and the Dying
Girl.” So for me it was just a feast to get my hands on and to
challenge myself and to try to do justice to the character and to
just be a part of this amazing film.
Q: (To RJ Cyler) what was it like for
you, being your first film?
Cyler: It was a lot of fun. For the
first 30 minutes of this experience I was a little nervous, and then
I met Thomas and then Olivia and it was just like “OK, I have no
reason to be nervous because they're fun and they're genuinely good
people.” We built a friendship before we got into filming so it
made it extra comfortable to be on set and to be who I needed to be
to make this character work. It was the perfect experience for me, as
a first acting job type situation. So now it's like the bar's set so
high, it's kind of depressing.
Q: There's only one way to go from
here.
Cyler: Goddamit
Q: (To Mann) Teenage boys are the
worst, but you find a way to keep that border where you're not being
too annoying. How did you find that balance?
Mann: I know what you mean. I find
self-deprecating humor … there's a fine line where it becomes so
obnoxious. No one can feel sorry for you if you're too busy feeling
sorry for yourself. I liked the fact that he was someone who was
smart enough that he knew the person he should be and he had all the
answers but he was too lazy or stubborn to make use of them and too
afraid to leave his comfort zone. I don't know; I like the way he
dealt with situations. I saw it as someone who knew what he should be
saying but just sort of said what he was thinking. You can't judge
someone for being honest, and I feel if I was just honest with the
character people would relate to that. The person I was in high
school I don't think I would have known what to do in a situation
like this, so it was all about embracing the awkwardness and the
selfishness of teenagers and kind of just having fun with the way he
navigates this emotional time in his life and sort of discovering his
emotions.
Yeah, his sense of humor was great, but
it was so well written you didn't need to punch the jokes. It was
almost like the less I did … (director Alfonso Gomez-Rejon) was
always about doing less with the jokes and they usually ended up
being funnier. Obviously there are times when it's sort of over the
top, like when he's crawling across the floor. I thought there were
moments you could go kind of big, but for the most part it had to
come from a really honest and sincere place.
Q: Even the moments that are kind of
over the top, they're still really natural. Teenagers tend to be a
little dramatic, and you guys keep that line: You're dramatic without
being overly dramatic.
Cooke: Everything's kind of heightened.
My sister's 15, and everything's a massive deal. When she's arguing
with my mum, all my mum has to say is one word and my sister screams,
you know. That's the just the way teenagers are; they're going
through all these hormones, they're going through all these changes
their reactions to things are so much more severe than when you've
dealt with things a few times and you know how to handle things.
You're like Bambi (note:pronounced “Bumbi”), still trying to walk
on your legs, you haven't found your footing yet. Like Bumbi.
Q: I just like how you say “Bambi.”
Participants take turns saying “Bumbi.”
Q: You had to shave your head for this
role. Was there any type of hesitation?
OC: Auditioning for this role, it
wasn't any mention the actress had to shave their head. I always
thought it was going to be a bald cap, but then I shot Alfonso this
really panicked email two weeks before shooting saying, “a bald
cap's going to look so bad; with so much hair, it's going to look
like an alien and I don't want anything I'm doing to take anyone out
of the movie so can we just shave the head.” We spoke to my people,
I'm on this TV show (“Bates Motel”), and the producer and he was
fine with it and I was like oh, shit, I've really got to do it now. I
thought maybe he'd say no and I'd look cool anyway just for
suggesting it.
When it came to doing it, we shot it
and we did it all in character. RJ and Thomas cut little pigtails of
my hair, we shaved a mohawk into it and we were like “haha, a
mohawk.” And I was shaving the front bit for the first time and
feeling my scalp and Thomas was cleaning up the back. The whole part
was trying to take control of the cancer before it took control of
Rachel, and I tried not to cry and then this weird scream/cry came
out, a sound I've never produced before, and I started crying and
Alfonso started holding me as I calmed down. It's bizarre, it's a
surreal experience when you're so used to having hair for 20 years
and then not having anything in 15 minutes.
Q: (To Cyler) I read for all the big
emotional moments in the film weren't rehearsed beforehand. What was
that like? Especially for you being new as an actor, that can't be
easy, not knowing what to expect.
Cyler: When you're in that moment in
real life, say a situation happens, you can't rehearse how you're
going to cry or how you're going to react to it. You're not going to
say “I'm going to cry this and I'm going to drop to my knees here,
and because she's doing really, really bad I'm going to make this
scream that makes me sound like a Chihuahua falling down stairs.”
It was a way Alfonso let us be free with these characters and be
honest to the moment. That's what I look at it as, because I know it
took me a while to get into that emotional state; I'm really not
emotional, I know it may seem hard to believe. It made it way easier
also to push out honest acting and emotions really; most of it was
stuff I didn't deal with that happened early on in my life, because I
don't cry, I just push it down and play Xbox. And all of it came out
during these emotional times. It worked.
Q: (To Cooke) You're doing more and
more movies; how do you balance that out with working on the “Bates
Motel”?
Cooke: “Bates Motel” is four months
out of my year, so I've got eight months to do anything I want. And
luckily “Bates Motel” has put me on the map, especially in
America. I've been able to do movies … I get to do really good
scenes that I showcase to people in the industry who watch it and
then I get shortlisted for things and I get to be exposed to scripts
I wouldn't be exposed to without the show. I don't know what to say;
I'm lucky to be doing more and more interesting movies. Even though
it's been a relatively short time it feels like it's took me a while
to work up, to do a few for them first before you do stuff for
yourself.
Q: Like “Ouija”?
Cooke: Not mentioning any names.
Q: (To Cooke) This is probably a
question you get a lot, playing a girl with leukemia. But how do you
play that? It's easy to get over dramatic, but how did you do that
while keeping it level.
Cooke: The main goal with Rachel is
that you never wanted her to be seen as a victim. Greg's character
even says at the end ...
Mann: Originally there was a line at
the end that was like “I didn't want to see her that way.”
OC: But you do get a gist of that in
the end. But you never want to play the tragedy; it's an awful thing
she's going through, but Rachel is such a strong character, she's the
stronger one out of the Greg and Rachel relationship. She wants to
nurture Greg and make sure he realizes his full potential.
I went to meet a girl at the children's
hospital at UCLA, and she had the leukemia that Rachel has and she'd
gone through rounds of chemo and was getting a bone marrow
transplant. I sat with her and talked to her and I noticed physically
she was just so still, she had no hair. Automatically you're kind of
like a newborn baby, you don't really have any identity, it's much
harder to see how a person is. Your hair, it tells so much about
yourself, especially for a girl, but she had all these One Direction
posters on the wall and she was obsessed with pop culture and had all
these crushes. Even though I always knew, it reinforced the fact that
you have this illness but don't lose your sense of self, you don't
lose your personality, you don't lose what you like and dislike. We,
Alfonso and I, sat out this chart of chemotherapy and the stages of
cancer that spans Rachel's character so we could draw on that for
physical and mental debilitation or when she's healthy, we can draw
on that. It helps, it really informs the character.
Also, you don't know a lot about
Rachel, but we set up a huge backstory with what she wants to do
after school. So that informs me and my performance. And shaving the
head was a massive thing; I don't think I'd be able to get that same
performance if I hadn't done that.
Q: It gave you something to sacrifice.
Cooke: Yeah. Obviously, I can't
experience the cancer, thankfully, but it was the least I could do to
try to get into the role.
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